Comments on: H1N1 mixed DNA strands for Evolution? http://managing-multiple-sclerosis.com/ms-symptoms/h1n1-mixed-dna-strands-for-evolution Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:10:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: bravozulu http://managing-multiple-sclerosis.com/ms-symptoms/h1n1-mixed-dna-strands-for-evolution#comment-3403 bravozulu Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:58:08 +0000 http://managing-multiple-sclerosis.com/ms-symptoms/h1n1-mixed-dna-strands-for-evolution#comment-3403 "...One tactic, immune mimicry, was to induce an immune response against myelin (found in the body’s nervous system). Because the cloned myelin protein (or its fragment) would be very close in structure to the body’s, host responses against the infection would be directed against the body’s own myelin. As a general principle it’s been discussed for many years, but it’s a very difficult practical task to pull off. Damaged myelin interferes with the transmission from the brain to the peripheral nerves. Most likely its destruction by a microbial agent would induce paralysis and death. For example: You get the flu, and then you get a complication from the flu. In that case, the immune system, which struggled with flu virus, could target your body as well as flu. When your body tries to heal itself, it actually does the reverse." http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/Default.aspx?oid=3&ocat=4 That article was talking about intentionally engineered Soviet viruses or bacteria that causes the body to attack myelin which is a protein containing substance mostly in the peripheral nerves. If the virus produces a protein like that found in myelin, then the body will attack the myelin and you would would become paralyzed. They wanted a way to kill someone and have it not be detectable. I don't think the virus actually contains human or animal DNA. I think they mean that it contains virus DNA or actually RNA from bird flu, swine flu and human flu. It started in birds but combined with the swine flu about a 100 years ago when a particular swine got both diseases at the same time. That caused a single cell in the pig to combine RNA from the two kinds of virus. Then a new strain of flu swept through pigs and humans picked it up. A person somewhere had to get the swine flu and human flu and it combined in a single cell producing the flu that has RNA from pigs, birds and human viruses. A pig could have got swine flu and the human virus simultaneously. That is why it is fairly rare for cross species strains to develop. It is also possible to get a virus from a separate species and then have it evolve independently. Those aren't usually so dangerous because they lack the precise machinery to attack human cells and it take a while for that to develop. If a flu virus evolved or some sick scientist caused it to produce certain proteins like myelin, it would probably do like you suggest. There are other opportunities for the flu to produce some protein that might be similar to a vital protein and cause an immune response. That could turn it into a really nasty killer or it could leave people crippled, blind or whatever. "…One tactic, immune mimicry, was to induce an immune response against myelin (found in the body’s nervous system). Because the cloned myelin protein (or its fragment) would be very close in structure to the body’s, host responses against the infection would be directed against the body’s own myelin. As a general principle it’s been discussed for many years, but it’s a very difficult practical task to pull off. Damaged myelin interferes with the transmission from the brain to the peripheral nerves. Most likely its destruction by a microbial agent would induce paralysis and death.

For example: You get the flu, and then you get a complication from the flu. In that case, the immune system, which struggled with flu virus, could target your body as well as flu. When your body tries to heal itself, it actually does the reverse."
http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/Default.aspx?oid=3&ocat=4

That article was talking about intentionally engineered Soviet viruses or bacteria that causes the body to attack myelin which is a protein containing substance mostly in the peripheral nerves. If the virus produces a protein like that found in myelin, then the body will attack the myelin and you would would become paralyzed. They wanted a way to kill someone and have it not be detectable.

I don’t think the virus actually contains human or animal DNA. I think they mean that it contains virus DNA or actually RNA from bird flu, swine flu and human flu. It started in birds but combined with the swine flu about a 100 years ago when a particular swine got both diseases at the same time. That caused a single cell in the pig to combine RNA from the two kinds of virus. Then a new strain of flu swept through pigs and humans picked it up. A person somewhere had to get the swine flu and human flu and it combined in a single cell producing the flu that has RNA from pigs, birds and human viruses. A pig could have got swine flu and the human virus simultaneously. That is why it is fairly rare for cross species strains to develop. It is also possible to get a virus from a separate species and then have it evolve independently. Those aren’t usually so dangerous because they lack the precise machinery to attack human cells and it take a while for that to develop.

If a flu virus evolved or some sick scientist caused it to produce certain proteins like myelin, it would probably do like you suggest. There are other opportunities for the flu to produce some protein that might be similar to a vital protein and cause an immune response. That could turn it into a really nasty killer or it could leave people crippled, blind or whatever.

]]> By: Tommy http://managing-multiple-sclerosis.com/ms-symptoms/h1n1-mixed-dna-strands-for-evolution#comment-3404 Tommy Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:58:08 +0000 http://managing-multiple-sclerosis.com/ms-symptoms/h1n1-mixed-dna-strands-for-evolution#comment-3404 When we look at this "Swine" Flu, we will notice that it has nothing that can relate to swine in any form or manner. That being because swine flu is simply a mix of different kinds of flu which already preexisted. If we were to mix animal and human DNA in this virus, then the virus does have a chance of mutating but probably a lot more as you've mentioned. When we look at this "Swine" Flu, we will notice that it has nothing that can relate to swine in any form or manner. That being because swine flu is simply a mix of different kinds of flu which already preexisted.
If we were to mix animal and human DNA in this virus, then the virus does have a chance of mutating but probably a lot more as you’ve mentioned.

]]> By: john http://managing-multiple-sclerosis.com/ms-symptoms/h1n1-mixed-dna-strands-for-evolution#comment-3405 john Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:58:08 +0000 http://managing-multiple-sclerosis.com/ms-symptoms/h1n1-mixed-dna-strands-for-evolution#comment-3405 it would be bad it would be bad

]]> By: icabod http://managing-multiple-sclerosis.com/ms-symptoms/h1n1-mixed-dna-strands-for-evolution#comment-3406 icabod Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:58:08 +0000 http://managing-multiple-sclerosis.com/ms-symptoms/h1n1-mixed-dna-strands-for-evolution#comment-3406 What you ask about has nothing to do with flu shots. The flu virus general starts in Southeast Asia where there's massive human contact with birds. As the virus mutates it can then infect humans. When you develop a vaccine for a flu strain you focus on the virus that's in humans. There's no mix of "animal and human DNA in the H1N1" The side effects you mention, such as Guillain-Barré syndrome, will occur even if you used a placebo in place of a vaccine. Given 100,000 doses and statistically some will have something happen. It could be a car crash, death from natural causes or infidelity. Clearly the vaccine would not be the cause in all cases. You start with the assumption that the vaccine is "mixed animal and human DNA" what evidence do you have? Peer reviewed papers found in medical journals would be best. No "I saw it on the Internet" please. What you ask about has nothing to do with flu shots. The flu virus general starts in Southeast Asia where there’s massive human contact with birds. As the virus mutates it can then infect humans.

When you develop a vaccine for a flu strain you focus on the virus that’s in humans. There’s no mix of "animal and human DNA in the H1N1"

The side effects you mention, such as Guillain-Barré syndrome, will occur even if you used a placebo in place of a vaccine. Given 100,000 doses and statistically some will have something happen. It could be a car crash, death from natural causes or infidelity. Clearly the vaccine would not be the cause in all cases.

You start with the assumption that the vaccine is "mixed animal and human DNA" what evidence do you have? Peer reviewed papers found in medical journals would be best. No "I saw it on the Internet" please.

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